A Far-Right 'Racist' Went On C4 News Last Night Which Went As Well As You'd Expect

You could hear the gasps of the production crew.

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On Feb 9, 2017

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

Jack Buckby, you stood for election, you got 220 votes and you have a few thousand Twitter followers - there have always been people like you, haven't there? Is there anything new about what you're doing?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

No, I wouldn't say there's anything new but I'd say definitley the way we go about politics has changed. My election campaign was primarily to cause a discussion about what I believe is a serious issue.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

But nobody agreed with you, that's the point - you got 1.1% of the vote.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I don't think that's true, I'm from a very small political party with a very small amount of funding - the point was never to win.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

So not many people think the way you do.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

See I disagree with that, we had 4 million people voting for Ukip and many of those agree with me. I don't associate with this fringe of the alt-right that is neo-Nazi and white supremacist but these 4 million Ukip voters agree with many of the ideas that I talk about and I know a lot of people who are high-up in Ukip who agree with me on an a lot of things and I know many Tory voters and many traditional Labour voters who believe the same as well. So what we've seen is it doesn't work out in politics but it is creating a new online culture.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

Barbara Ntumy, can you afford to ignore him?

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

I've never said that we should ignore people like Jack to be honest. I actively campaign and will continue to campaign against people like Jack and what they stand for. I think it's absolutely despicable that you can sit here and spout these things that basically infringe upon the rights of other people to just exist in society. It's ridiculous, you're allowed to exist and be you but yet your whole movement is about how black people have low IQs when it's been proved that there's no biological difference between black and white people. That's a myth, pseudoscience from the 1800s that you keep bringing back. I'm just astonished that sombody well educated like you chooses to believe such nonsense.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I would love to know where you've got this information from because I don't believe any of those things.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

But you have said that people should be deported?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

Yes, people who are a drain on the economy, absolutely, yes.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

So white people as well?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

Well we can't deport people who were born here.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

So black people who were born here, they can stay, right?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

Yes, absolutely.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

So who gets to define who's a drain on society?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I love this sort of faux outrage you've got going on here, saying "oh, you hate black people" - it's constant faux outrage.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

It's not faux outrage, I am outraged.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

You are the reason that we exist, you are the reason this online movement exists.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

My black existence is the reason you exist.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

No. Stop bringing race into it. We hate the fact you people take the moral superiority...

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

It's got everything to do with race...

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

You know what - put your money where your mouth is. A Syrian refugee application form. Take one home, take in a Syrian refugee, I hope you don't get raped because we talk about these serious issues and you demean us.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

I can only afford the rent for a one-bedroom house so I don't have the financial means to do that.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

It's a bit like a religion watching this, two people who just believe different things. I just wonder whether you see the similarity between what you're doing and what ISIS are doing? There's a radicalistion going on, isn't there?

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

ISIS are throwing gays off buildings, they're attacking families. People like [Barbara] are evil to those people, they want you dead. We're talking about serious issues and you sit there with your faux outrage scuffing when you hear something you don't like, it's despicable.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

You're organising online, you make videos splicing music and terror attacks - that's exactly waht ISIS do and they prey on vulnerable people

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

The content is entirely different. A lot of people already realise these issues and a lot are on the edge of understanding but to try and compare our movement - and again I don't associate with these ultra-white supremacists, I'm not one of those, if anything I'm a paleo-libertarian..

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

You can dress it up any way you like, it doesn't really matter.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

You want Britain to essentially be white, don't you.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I think it should be majority-indigenous.

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

It already is majority white.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I'm not claimig it isn't

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

Black people make up 20% of the world's population. The reason I'm sat here today is because white people came to my country hundreds of years ago.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

What's your point?

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

The reason I'm here is because you were in my country first, invaded and enslaved. I have every right to be here.

Jack Buckby

Jack Buckby say

I would love to know where you got this idea that I think you don't have a right to be here. As silly as I think you are I think you have every right to be here.

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Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

Is it the failure of progressive politics of the left to appeal to young people and offer them a future that makes some of them, a small number admittedly, be seduced by this?

Barbara Ntumy

Barbara Ntumy say

A small number are seduced by this, that's a fact. I don't think there's anything in the progressive left being able to make the case. I think we live in a very particular time where people's living standards are being driven down and the left hasn't had the power to improve that. We're at the height of capitalism where it's exploit, exploit and the easiest way to do that is to tell people that other people are the problem. Why have you brought in a refugee application form here?

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Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Krishnan Guru-Murthy say

Well that's just a stunt, let's just ignore that.

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